Improvement ideas for Formative - wish list

Yes! I would love this option as well!

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Here is a sample of a formative in which the Show your work feature works great with short texts: Clone Code: OOVJHP. However when I get to longer text, the font becomes too small to see, so I have to break it up into multiple Show your Work questions. I created a sample of what I have been doing to make the font larger to read on longer passages: Clone Code: PCNDUC. I make the font larger either by enlarging the snip I take from the passage, or by retyping the passage in Word and making the font size larger there.

The Show Your Work makes the font too small on larger passages. I would love to keep the font size standard and the passage together in one question vs. breaking it up. I think it would also help my students to see the entire passage when they answer questions vs having to click the boxes to see the passage or having the passage multiple times both as a text then as a Show Your Work.

I hope that makes sense! :slight_smile:

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Thank you so much for the additional details and examples! That definitely makes sense and we can definitely consider providing a feature that accommodates for longer reading passages.

The reason we made it so that students need to click into the canvas as opposed to just having it directly on the formative is that it caused issues with scrolling and interfered with the options available on the canvas. That being said, if we provide an option to accommodate for a larger text then your students would no longer have to visit multiple questions to annotate on the text!

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A couple of things I’ve thought about as I continue to use (and love!) Formative—

  • A “select all” button when grading–clicking each little circle can be so hearbreaking when you accidentally miss one and mess the whole thing up! :sob:
  • A “help” or flag button for students to click when they need help (a couple of my students have created their own by just typing question marks). Classkick does this in a really creative way (I’ve been down the edtech rabbit hole a couple times this week)–asking for help allows other students to give feedback and help their peers.
  • A pop-up or notification that a question has a new comment. Maybe the dot at the top can flash? Or be highlighed until they click on the comment?
  • I kinda wish the colors I use in my settings were replicated in their circles. My district has a common color coding system for achievment levels, so my students were really nervous about getting something green at first because that indicates a “basic” level to them.
  • I’d like to add my vote to supporting turning some question grades invisibile while students are working, the annotate text idea, and seeing number of questions attempted.

I continue to love working with this, and I’ve had several students say the same thing this week. Now that they’ve gotten the hang of it, they are really responding to the instant feedback. They especially like the emojis–I often use them to give a hint if they’ve been having trouble with a question.

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I could see how having a “select all” button would be helpful in certain cases. When you say that if you miss one it (it messes the whole thing up), what do you mean? :slight_smile:

This is a great idea. Another related one that we are considering is giving students the ability to reply to feedback too!

Currently, the comment within the notification bar does remain highlighted until the student clicks on it. It’d be great to hear how we can further improve upon this!

This is another great idea!

Can you clarify who requested this? Feel free to highlight what they wrote (to quote them in a reply)!

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I could see how having a “select all” button would be helpful in certain cases. When you say that if you miss one it (it messes the whole thing up), what do you mean? :slight_smile:

Let’s say I’ve selected 11 responses to score and I’m trying to select a twelfth. If I miss and click outside the circle, it unselects those 11 and selects just the 12th one.

Currently, the comment within the notification bar does remain highlighted until the student clicks on it. It’d be great to hear how we can further improve upon this!

I’m oblivious, apparently—my kids showed me this today!

Can you clarify who requested this? Feel free to highlight what they wrote (to quote them in a reply)!

Veronica_Bass said something about this in the The things you learn the hard way discussion back in March–she suggested being able to turn on instant score reporting by type of question. There were also a few suggestions about limiting the number of tries on MC questions, which would be helpful as well.

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Oh, I see! It’s meant to do that so you can quickly de-select things that you didn’t mean to, but I can see how that could be annoying if you miss the circle by just a little bit. We can definitely consider an alternative de-select option.

No worries, I expect it can be difficult to spot since you aren’t always seeing what the student side looks like!!

Ah gotcha! Thanks for sharing your support of these features ideas!

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I would appreciate an alternative, too. It is, as you say, annoying when you are batch grading and miss the circle to go back and re-select all that you’ve already “seen”. Perhaps a double click to deselect all as opposed to a single click?

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That sounds like a good alternative! We can definitely consider it :slight_smile:

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One feature I would definitely add to the wish list (as if I haven’t put enough in the queue) is to have some sort of tool to create tables that the students could fill in. I don’t really trust them to do that correctly on “share our work” and, often, it would be hard for them to fit in all the information I ask for using that tool. I also don’t particularly like using the PDF adaption tool because it doesn’t create the same visual connection with the organization of information. My lesson today used a table in google docs and the kids were quite disappointed to see that we weren’t using formative–which was absolutely gratifying, to be honest! I’ve spent a lot of time redoing lessons so that we can do them together via formative and I’m glad to know they like it better!

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I’d also like to say thanks for the slightly lighter gray color for blank responses, but it’s very hard for me to see the difference between the light gray of “no response” and the medium gray of “ungraded.” I know part of it is just my vision, but I do think there could be a clearer difference–maybe an X?
gray

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Yes!!! This would make grading MUCH easier.

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Adding my vote to this thread :slight_smile:

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Love this idea for seat work so that either I or other students can interact and help. As long is I can turn the feature off when I don’t want collaboration it would be helpful.

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Please, please, for us High School math teachers, please allow some sort of symbolic equivalence.

So that if my students type A + B, and the correct answer is B + A, goformative can still interpret A + B or (A + B) or 1A + B as correct. Same with spaces, why is A+B graded differently from A + B?

I cannot type every possible mathematically equivalent correct answer especially with spaces.

Clicking the “accept partial answers” doesn’t work for this. This is super discouraging for my students who got the correct answer but didn’t type it exactly as I typed it. And it’s becoming a real waste of time because students don’t know if they got the answer wrong OR just typed it differently

(I don’t want this all the time, but I definitely need the option.)

I literally had to give up on a quiz after 40 minutes because of this last week. Paper and Pencil was easier and took less time!

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to help my students with this issue I do not grade them right away until they all submit. Then I go over the students work and grade them. so that they are not discouraged.

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Blockquote I agree! That works in multiple subjects

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I have seen that there is the option to randomize multiple-choice questions. Is this option already available for the ‘Short Answer’ questions? And does the option exist to get the questions one-by-one, instead of all at once. This will greatly improve the already amazing program. I teach German in the Netherlands and to test the knowledge of my students I need the ‘short answer’ questions to see if the spelling is correct. I already love it, that it is possible for the proramm to check for capital letters. Thank you!

I agree. Our current unit is difficult enough… I keep reminding students that they may be mathematically correct, but the format may be wrong…or doesn’t match my answer key exactly. The 'flag; feature could be used to signal the teacher to check for ‘formatting issues’ as well.

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I thing the solution to this is to make the new feature to “select” the students who responded while viewing in the “singular question” mode go a bit further to “select all students with the identical answer” IF that could be created, I would find everyone who typed B+A and then give them all the credit at once. My key says A+B, so they already got the point. However, those who said B/A do not get selected, so they don’t get the point.

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