I know it would help math teachers with those calculation sites that kiddos could be using. There are certain things that I am ok with students copying and pasting like Mariana said…complicated names, etc. It would also help for documentation purposes and meeting with parents. Especially coupled with a printing feature.
I agree. I walk around constantly as well as watch their chromebook screens. Another idea would be to work towards applying the student centered approach where the teacher guides and asks probing questions, students discuss and then the teacher guides students through what they have learned.
I think this color coding idea would be awesome. This would definitely help identify which parts were copied and make quick determinations as to the cheating/no cheating aspect.
Thanks Mariana! I can see how this would be super helpful!
that will be great to see.
Wanted to put in my 2 cents; some of it overlaps. Thanks for reading anyway!
I was a music teacher in another life, so this is not something I struggled with in that course, unless I taught music appreciation or something. I did tutor math, and I was working with students who had access to the early versions of PhotoMath. My rationale when speaking with them was “Yes, you can use that to solve the problem. However, the issue is not whether you can solve this problem. It is whether or not you can use the logic and processes taught by solving the problem to solve other problems.”
That is the point we need to emphasize. Yes, they can cheat and get grades. Yes, that is a short-term solution. It will not serve them long-term. So it’s a twofold solution with a lot of work involved. Teach them to love to learn and we build questions/quizzes that require them to think.
Thanks for making me think on spring break!
My question is, “How does this feature deter cheating in a math class?” If the answers are correct, they should be the same. Unless the questions are different. Are the questions and answer choices randomized? Can there be different versions of the same question type? (Change the numbers)
I had a student using Mathway a few semesters ago. She was earning As on classwork and homework. I didn’t think much of it until students tattled on her when she used it in class. I mentioned that, if used correctly, it was a powerful tool, but if used as a crutch, it would actually hurt her. One day a student called me out, “Aren’t you going to tell her to stop? Isn’t she going to get in trouble?” They were shocked when I said ‘no.’ I went on to explain that she can get all the As she wants on classwork and homework and still end up failing my class. I explained further that we use weighted grades and if she doesn’t try to solve the problem on her own, she WILL fail the test… and since that category is over half her grade, she WILL fail my class. However, if a student tried the problem, didn’t get the right answer in Formative, attempted to find their mistake and it STILL counted them wrong, that going to Mathway would actually HELP students find their mistake and learn from it.
Needless to say, she still kept using Mathway, in the open, and was only amused by her classmates tattling on her… until she got her first test back. It was an F. I used the opportunity to discuss Mathway again. This time. the girl listened. She changed the way she used Mathway. The classmates continued to tattle. The girl started to get upset during class, adamant that she was using it as a tool. It didn’t take long for her to come to me, asking me to help her get the kids to believe her. I told her that I could tell a difference in her work and that I believed her; if she wants to get her classmates to believe her, she needs to prove it to them by passing her test. Not only did she pass, but she got a B on it. Again, I used it as a teachable moment and praised her publicly for her hard work. She then went back to study the first test content and retook the test…and rocked that one, too. She ended up with a B for the semester.
I teach math. It still picks up sections students copy and paste from online math tools. Even when I lost my ‘anti-cheating’ indicator (free trial ran out), I found that I could detect ‘cheaters’ fairly easily: (1) the negative/minus sign was longer than my keyboard could type, and (2) terms weren’t in the same order’ I had typed them for auto-grading. If I had a significant number of cheaters in a class, I would tell my Mathway story. When students asked how I knew they were cheating, I just simply said ‘Your answer contains symbols I don’t have on my keyboard.’ Privately, I would type a comment about using online math tools and to come see me about how to use it the right way.
I have had this come up as well. Some of my students have copied words from the questions to ensure their spelling is correct or have copied the question entirely to correctly restate the question as part of their answer. But I must say, that by simply letting them know that I know something was off with their answer sent a message to the students.
My concern is with students cheating from other students. Not other sites. I have a lab where students are seated beside other students whose screens are clearly visible. If the students beside them have the same questions, how can I stop them from cheating?
I am late to the discussion, but I would like to add that if there was a browser block option so students could not move to another tab, nor exit the program until completed then that would eliminate much of the issues that were presented today. I know that Google Classroom offers a browser block for its quizzes when delivered to Chromebooks, so I know that the ability is possible. This would be a great feature for implementation for GoFormative.
But I also must confess that students will always be one step ahead of teachers, and those that want to cheat will find a way. In most cases it seems that if they spent even half of that energy on learning the topic then they wouldn’t need to cheat.
I also would love a feature as an option where students can not switch tabs or the formative would lock them out (this would help eliminate some cheating methods). I also think it would be neat if I could have a question bank of say 5 questions for topic 1, 5 for topic 2, 5 for topic 3 and 5 for topic 4, and then students are randomly given one question from each topic for their formative so students would have different versions of questions and can’t lean over and look at a neighbours to cheat as they most likely would have a different question set.
Hi @heather.brothers! We actually have this feature already! It’s called Kiosk Mode and it’s an app that is compatible with devices running ChromeOS (i.e. Chromebooks). Currently, we offer this as an optional add-on to our school subscriptions. If you’re at one of our Partner schools, please let your Formative Success Manager know that you’re interested!
@SHANNON_SEWELL Sorry that I’m replying very late, but did you know that Premium users can randomize the order of the questions in their formatives? You can read more about the feature here. That should make it harder for students to copy from other people’s screens
Do you know if they fixed the ‘Google’ login feature yet? I piloted the Kiosk when it first came out and it it only allowed username/password log in, as the Google login ‘check page’ was not whitelisted… and therefore not allowed. I have not tried it since then; I haven’t seen a post regarding this issue.
I would love to have the ability to lock the tab so students cannot search the internet during a formative. With Illuminate, students enter a special portal to take the assessment. Can formative do the same?
What is the name of the app you use to lock down the computers during tests? I exclusively use online testing and would love to be able to do this.
There is a Kiosk app/extension. @Jill_Nyahay can provide you more details.
That would be of great help to be able to use that feature